Citizens RFP for Daily Independent Adjusters -CANCELLED! The “Claims Cheese” is on the move again!

We’ve written in prior blogs about the problems Independent adjusting firms and independent adjusters faced over the RFP (Request for Proposal) for Catastrophe adjusters months ago. I’ll post the links to prior Citizens of FL blog entries at the end of this post. We were most hopeful that things had improved on Citizens/ Independent Adjusting firm planning when they posted the RFP for Daily Adjusters. The deadline for completing the excessive amount of forms and information for consideration came and went February 5, 2008.

Well- guess again folks! Citizens cancelled the RFP 2/11/08 per the announcement (Addendum 4) on their purchasing site and the responding adjusting firms were notified by email 2/12/08 that the RFP has been cancelled after much expense and time has been devoted by independent adjusting firms wishing consideration. This also involved the many calls those of us with Florida adjusters licenses received to  “see if we were available” for daily claims by many of the participating adjusting firms as they had to provide numbers of independents they could supply. The indication on the announcement says that they will repost at a later date with new specifications.

It will be interesting to see what the new specifications are after reading the Citizens Board of Governors Board meeting notes from the 2-8-08 meeting (see links to the many documents on the left column of this web page here for the documents. The RFP cancellation notice is addendum 4.

Here are also the 2-1-08 Citizens Task Force meetings notes addressing the usage of independents and TPA’s as well as notes found on the Board meeting notes above. So what is going on here? According to these task force and board notes, Citizens plans to implement a Claim School by March 2008 for their internal staff with plans to complete that training by 3rd quarter 2008. They also indicate independents will be required to be certified (presently they must pass online courses-here’s a link-look at upper right hand corner for current online classes they have to take). They also plan to handle 80% of the non catastrophe claims with internal staff by the end of 2009.

If you take a look at Addendum three on this page at Citizens (note I’m sure this will move to the Closed RFP’s  or Awarded RFP’s shortly as they normally do once an RFP is closed) you’ll see a Q & A for responding adjusting firms where they were answering their questions about the RFP that was due in on 2/5/08.  This addendum answering their questions was dated 1/22/08. The task force claim committee documents indicate they are dated 1/30/08 only 8 days later (presented 2/1/08). I point that out to be sure you compare the two. Here is an example:

From Addendum 3:

4. Q. The RFP requires the submission of the number of full-time and part-time

employees committed specifically to Citizens Daily claims. However, the RFP

provides no estimates, projections or ranges of claim volume from which a

respondent can reasonably project commitments. Staffing levels for 100 claims

per month are significantly different than for 1,000 claims per month. Can you

please provide some guidance in responding to this question?

A. Citizens anticipates that there will be an estimated 3,300 new claims a month with

approximately 100 of the claims being attributed to liability and 120 claims

attributed to the cause of loss of sinkhole. South Florida represents approximately

70% of Citizens reported claims. Citizens’ policy counts can be found on

Citizens website at www.citizensfla.com.

8. Q. Is their a minimum number of adjusters Citizens requires for the dedicated unit?

A. It is expected that selected vendors will maintain appropriate staff to service

assigned claims volume.

9. Q. Is it expected that field adjusters be dedicated to only handle Citizens claims?A. Yes.

10. Q. Will geographical areas be assigned to IA firms or will this be determined by the

areas serviced by the IA firms?

A. It is expected that firms will have statewide coverage.

11. Q. Is it required that the manager responsible for general oversight of the dedicated

unit be dedicated only to Citizens?

A. Yes.

12. Q. Does Citizens require the dedicated unit to be located in a particular area?

A. Citizens highest claims volume occurs in South Florida. It is expected that the

vendor will have statewide coverage to service Citizens policyholders.

13. Q. Is there a caseload requirement for examiners of the dedicated unit?

A. No. However it is expected the firm will maintain an appropriate examining staff

to meet Citizens quality and service standards.

17. Q. Will Citizens guarantee a certain volume of claims to the IA firm?

A. No.  (note- I have bolded 17 for this blog)

32. Q. The language in the RFP for Daily Property Claims/ Full Assignments on page 7

states “….which Services shall be performed by a claims administration unit

created and dedicated solely to adjusting and administering Citizens Claims.” The

terms “dedicated solely to” implies that that claims administration unit could not

service any other carriers. Are we interpreting that correctly?

A. Yes. Your interpretation is correct.

54. Q. What is your method of referrals to vendor/vendors? Is it on a rotating basis? Is

there a maximum volume per vendor?

A. Claim Assignments to firms is on a rotating basis with no guaranteed claim

volume per firm

56. Q. Can you provide a current or anticipated policy count and/or claim volume by

county? Alternatively, please provide any available information on concentration

of policies by area.

A. Please see question 4.

57. Q. In the case of turnover or staffing changes in a particular service area, will a

vendor be allowed to reject an assignment? If so, is there any penalty to the

vendor for this action?

A. It is expected that selected firms will maintain proper staffing levels to service the

Citizens account with statewide coverage.

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Now compare these answers to the information the Citizens Claims Dept presented to the Citizens Board of Gov and to the Citizens Task Force where they could both provide claims volume as well as presentations on their expected reduction in the use of Independents in these reports. Here are just a few excerpts from these reports:

This came from the Task Force presentation on 2/1/08:

The Claims Organization currently totals 198 Citizens employees,with 67 adjusters dedicated to non catastrophe claims handling.


Citizens’Claims Operations currently handles approximately 36% of all non catastrophe claims

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    1. By year end 2008, we will handle 50% of all non catastrophe claims

Staff increase of inside adjusters to 60


Staff increase of field estimators to 28

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    1. By year end 2009, we will be handling 80% of all non catastrophe claims

Staff increase of inside adjusters to 100

Staff increase of field estimators to 53

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Here’s another one- the Board of Gov meeting report shows that 39,890 2007 non catastrophe claims were received and indicates with modest growth that they are expected 42,000 claims in 2008 (non cat). 20% of that if you put the math to it would be 8,400 claims. Now- the Q and A above says that the number of independent firms to handle these on a rotational basis statewide is undetermined. So for argument sake, let’s take the number 45 which is the number of firms they selected (ok 46 now with the 1 firm who appealed yet they’ve never added their name on the IA firm list) out of 78 or so who submitted RFP’s for the cat files (although I know several firms who posted RFP’s for daily that did not for the catastrophe). 8200/45 firms would be a grand total of 182.22 files each adjusting firm might get on rotation.Now you tell me folks…..is this a mess or what?

Take the Q & A and compare it to what they are telling the task force about the claim volume and expected reduction in numbers of independents used in 2008 and 2009 and tell me if you think Citizens gave our nationwide adjusting firms the proper treatment? How in the world could they commit dedicated adjusters and managers to handle Citizens ONLY claims when Citizens is not willing to use a reasonable number of adjusting firms first of all (45 is ridiculous and the mess they went through with the ever changing directives for training on Cat is proof positive that is an uncontrollable number!). No adjusting firm is going to get independent adjusters to commit to work Citizens claims ONLY under this proposal. If you take the numbers further at 182 per firm …just how many files is an adjuster likely to get? Give me a break!

 Citizens…on behalf of adjusting firms who of course cannot speak out nor adjusters who fear being blackballed in the adjusting community, we ask that you please tell us ALL of the information you are considering so the adjusting firms nationwide can make proper decisions on staffing. Adjusters are tired of false promises for work by adjusting firms who have been promised work from carriers such as yourself. Atleast with Citizens, we have the Task Force documents and the Board of Governor meeting notes to find the true facts that you are not sharing when asking Independents to service your claims!

Speaking of Board of Governor notes- I’m quite impressed that the February 08 Claim committee just approved the Claim meeting minute notes of June 2007.  I’ve written Citizens before about the constant delays in getting the minutes posted and they say they are only posted once the claim committee meets and approves it. Well, I sure hope the task  force  makes some inquiries about these constant delays. That is an 8 month delay- how very impressive! The independent side of the adjusting community relies on those Claim Committee meeting minutes to know what is going on but I guess that isn’t a consideration in allowing enough time in your claim meetings to get them approved timely? While the task force is at it- Can you PLEASE post the websites of the 46 selected adjusting firms so independents know who to apply to? You’d think this would be simple. Atleast your Adjuster Resource page now has the RFP award list up(but you haven’t even added the 46th firm you approved to it) but no contact information. You have many of the adjusting firm names listed incorrectly and some names are so common it was difficult to find them. I have listed all of the firms in a Citizens Research paper on the training page at our staffing firm website  if you’d like a copy so you don’t have to look them up Citizens! (Website info on the About page here on the blog)

Let’s look at one more math formula before we go…..if Citizens only plans on having 53 field adjusters handling 80% of the daily claims in 2009 and 100 inside (projected at 42,000 claims by the end of 08 according to these reports)…then how many independents do you actually think are going to be getting the other 20% of the claims? Hmmmmmm……..

On to another side issue- Adjuster training- these documents all contain information about training and plans for a Citizens Claim School in March 2008 with expectations their staff adjusters will complete this by 3rd quarter 08. There are further indications independents will be “certified”(how many more conferences will you need to go to and pay for!). Here are some of the excerpts:

Page 17 of this 2/1/08 presentation  to the Task Force says as they increase their staff that they will be having a claim school- here is what page 17 says:

Current main delivery channel for training is via online modules. 

As we continue to build our internal claims force we will:

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    1. Launch a claims training school
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    1. Provide advanced specialized training
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    1. Refine our metrics to gain further insight on our claims workflow, productivity

and efficiency

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    1. Enhance our QA process as a feedback/developmental tool forour adjusters

 

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From page 19:

http://www.claimsclass.com/

Page 19 seems to indicate the Claim School will be up March 2008 with their staff adjusters training completed by 3rd quarter 08 and says IA firms will be “certified” so I assume that is the certification we’d read about in other task force documents I’d posted about months ago. Here’s what it says:

In March 2008, a new claim school will be launched.

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    1. Successful completion will be a condition of employment for existing and new Citizens staff involved in the handling and oversight of claims.

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    1. Core competencies will include, Customer Service, Ethics, Policy, Estimatics, and File Quality Standards.

     

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    1. Each session of claim school will be 1 full week in length; entire Citizens’claim staff will be trained by 3rdQuarter 2008.
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    1. Ongoing QA will monitor file handling standards.
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    1. Third party administrators and/or Independent Adjusters doing Citizens work will need to be certified in our core competencies

And here are the notes from the 2-8-08 Board Executive summary:

February 8, 2008 (Claims Committee)

Executive Summary

We are launching a Claims Training school in March, 2008. The goal is to train all personnel, staff and independents to Citizens standards.

Upon completion of the training, they will be required to pass examinations and be certified to do Citizen’s work.

Here is another note from another one of the documents:

Here is another comment about Customer Service training found in another document uploaded below:

7. Provide Customer Service training curriculum used to train Citizens’ daily

claims adjusters and Independent adjusters.

Please see attached on-line course curriculum for the following courses: Citizens

101,

Policyholder Declaration of Rights, Ethics, and Avoiding E-mail Pitfalls

This comments comes from page 12 under a chart on time service in a Task force presentation by claims:

The bottom of page 12 on the First Task Force report contains this statement at the bottom of the chart on service:

􀂃As our internal staff has grown, we have seen cycle time, quality and service improvements as well as a downward trend in average paid amounts.

 

They include a Contractor report (in the 2-1-08 Task force docs) evaluating the service of several of the independent firms where they reviewed 10 files of each firm on time service issues. I have to admit the findings aren’t favorable on time service issues but as an experienced adjuster points out- Citizens says in these reports that the majority of the clams are in South Florida and we all know that those normally come in with high PA (public adjuster) activity which could delay the claim. The time service report also doesn’t say if those 10 files per firm were cat or daily-non-cat files. 10 files per firm is hardly representative of the over 60% of daily files they allege were handled by independents in 07 (39,890 was total number of non cat files altogether). Too bad their chart did not include information on how the files were selected and if a random data analyzer was used or if they cherry picked to get the results they wished. Time service can’t be evaluated in the simple format of the report they gave the Task Force. To determine if those are or are not good time service records on closures, you’d need to know the claim dollar amounts in the survey and if public adjusters were involved in the handling which often delays a claim. A simple severity “3” type claim with less damage could be closed very quickly while a field adjustment on a large loss would take several weeks if not months while repairs progress.

Citizens has 1,277,266 policies in force as of 1/31/07 (why are they showing 07 as latest stats on the home page?) per the stats on their site. This is an important issue folks not just for Floridians but also for independent adjusters. I continue to be simply amazed that they can get away with rate freezes we will all pay for later after a major storm but also with the fact that they can be so clueless about claim staffing needs and working with independent adjusters. By the time they ever get this latest fiasco on the Daily RFP for Independents revised, I’ll be surprised if most firms even consider applying.  I hope for sure that they and their independent adjusters pay very close attention to this question in Addendum 3 Q & A if they do apply:

64. Q. Regarding Insurance Requirements: Will you consider proposals from

respondents with the following limitations:

1. It is our policy to provide concurrent coverage (not primary) with any other

valid and collectible policies.

2. Professional Liability coverage is provided for Respondents personnel

without Citizens as an additional insured on the Professional Liability (E

& O) coverage.

A. No as to 1 and 2.And this one:

59. Q. If our coverage denial is challenged, will Citizens handle the litigation to

conclusion and indemnify GAB? If a Bad faith action is filed against GAB for our

coverage denial, will Citizens defend and indemnify GAB?

A. The level of indemnification and Citizens’ duty to defend, would depend on the

level of negligence (culpability) of the vendor/claims administrator

If you haven’t already- read our Guest Blog entry from last week with CPLIC recommending YOU as the adjuster carry your own E and O which was also recommended in a Roughnotes.com E and O article posted in that blog. Based on the Q & A above- it sure doesn’t sound like you can plan on Citizens supporting you on a claim with 100% confidence! Here is a link to that blog here.

Here are links to prior blog entries on Citizens:

https://dimechimes.wordpress.com/2007/07/26/hot-topic-for-independent-adjusters-opportunities-to-work-citizens-insurance-of-fl-claims/

https://dimechimes.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/update-on-citizen-fl-training-direct-from-citizens/

https://dimechimes.wordpress.com/2007/08/24/enough-is-enough-citizens-fl-claim-reserve-problem-to-the-tune-of-300-million/

https://dimechimes.wordpress.com/2007/10/18/citizens-of-fl-adds-46th-adjusting-firm-tornado-damage-in-pensacola-fl/

https://dimechimes.wordpress.com/2007/07/30/who-moved-my-claims-cheesedealing-with-change-in-the-insurance-adjusting-community/

This is also a link to the TAG for WordPress- Citizens FL which also includes some other blogs I”ve written that included references to Citizens:

http://wordpress.com/tag/citizens-insurance-of-fl/

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We also just got word from Eric Gilkey of Claims Magazine that they too have done a breaking news story on this issue today. I’ve located it for you here:( he has the best way of summarizing things and you have to love the title about leaving firms at the altar)!

http://www.claimsmag.com/cms/Claims/Breaking%20News/2008/02/13-Citizens%20Leaves%20Independents%20at%20the%20Alter

I apologize for the Font size problems on this blog post but for some reason the Font size tool isn’t showing in the system today so the copy paste entries from various reports are posting funny. The information is more important than worrrying about delaying this blog post for “pretty” work!

If you too are concerned and want to play an active role in waking up the Citizens Task Force on Claim Handling to the plight of the Independents (especially when they report they are counting on over 6,000 of you on the catastrophe side from the 46 adjusting firms), here is a link to the Task Force committee members. If you don’t want to write your own letter, feel free to attach a link to this post and simply say ” I AGREE YOU NEED TO LOOK INTO THIS” . I’ve also copied the email address from their site to two of their liasons that you can also ask to forward an email to the members:

http://taskforceoncitizensclaimshandling.org/tfm.htm

For staff support and assistance, please contact:

 Staff Director Vicki A. Twogood, CPM
Office of the Insurance Consumer Advocate, Dept. of Financial Services
850-413-2970
Vicki.twogood@fldfs.com

Gloria M. Strickland
Office of the Insurance Consumer Advocate, Dept. of Financial Services
850-413-2862
Gloria.strickland@fldfs.com

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4 Responses to Citizens RFP for Daily Independent Adjusters -CANCELLED! The “Claims Cheese” is on the move again!

  1. […] https://dimechimes.wordpress.com/2008/02/13/citizens-rfp-for-daily-independent-adjusters-cancelled-th…       Here is the link to the current RFP 08-0016 which was initially posted 4/22/08 with a fee schedule  for the new dates in the 08 RFP then revised again on 4/28/08  and 5/9/08 to include revisions to the fee schedule and the Q & A document mentioned above that confirms they did intentionally put $70.00 versus $700.00 on the slab footprint only claims.   https://www.citizensfla.com/about/purchasing-current_reqs.cfm **Docs not yet zipped so just look for RFP 08-0016. Note they move documents when an RFP is closed to the Closed purchasing documents which you can access going to http://www.citizensfla.com then clicking on purchasing the click on the tab for Closed Competitive Solicitations to find the RFP when it does move.   This new RFP included a Q & A in Addendum 2 dated 5/9/08  where the vendors had an opportunity to present questions to Citizens which they then published the answers to on May 9, 2008. In that Q and A info they published, one of the vendors specificially asked the question if there had been an error on the published fee of 70.00 on the total losses where they just wanted a footprint taken since the schedule for 2007/2008 cat work had said 700.00. Citizens answered this question in Q5 of Addendum 2 that an error had NOT been made and 70.00 was in fact the correct fee for the daily work beginning June 2008 daily claims and the cat work beginning June 2009. While they didn’t use those dates, the Q &A applied to the new RFP questions so that would be the new time frame. Note they have not yet selected the firms for the new RFP. The list you’ve seen of 45 vendors (it is actually 46 now- see this blog if your not familiar with the 46th vendor info here:   https://dimechimes.wordpress.com/2007/10/18/citizens-of-fl-adds-46th-adjusting-firm-tornado-damage-in-pensacola-fl/       Evans Claims, one of this years vendors, has the Face to Face requirement email from the interim Citizens Catastrophe Director posted on their website in a May 12, 2008 post here which explains there reason for requesting the face to face training and I’ve seen in uploaded as an attachment on some of the other vendors emails to their adjusters as well:   http://evansclaims.com/wiki/ECS/FlaCit   Here is a link to a blog we did on the new face to face training requirement:   https://dimechimes.wordpress.com/2008/05/14/citizens-of-fl-changes-independent-training-requirements-for-2008/   What is interesting is that the Adjuster Resources Link at Citzens has not been updated as of this morning  on the new face to face training and still links to the online training although many of the vendor emails say the online training thousands did in 07 no longer counts for your certification: You might want to keep checking here for when they do finally get it updated   https://www.citizensfla.com/adjuster/index.cfm   Here are links where you can find the current fee schedule for this season and the RFP document with the new fee schedule in Addendum A for the new RFP dates.   https://www.citizensfla.com/about/purchasing-current_reqs.cfm **Docs not yet zipped so look for RFP 08-0016   There are significant changes between the RFP for 2007/2008(cat only RFP 07-0003) and the new ones for July 2008- June 2011 for daily claims and the beginning June 2009 through May 2011 for catastrophe claims.Very interesting in the new RFP the fee schedule is based on the number of adjusters Citizens deploys not on the severity of the catastrophe like we usually see on fee schedules and they address this as well on the Q & A in the new RFP 5/9/08 published answers. I highly recommend anyone planning to work for any of the vendors be sure to read them. Some of the most significant include:   1 )Citizens comments in the new RFP Q & A on hold harmless agreements and who will be paying if suit is filed on a claim.  2) The other major issue I could see is their answer to the question posed by one of the vendors about what happens if Citizens runs out of funding to pay claims to the adjusting firm/adjuster fees and Citizens could not provide assurance as to what would happen to the adjuster fees.3) Anyone reading the FL papers is well aware of the controversy regarding Citizens freeze on rates which has now been extended and the concerns in the press that they are not adequately funded and capable of paying claims in the event of a major catastrophe. I’m very glad one of the vendors asked the question.4) The new and I think last year’s RFP which applies to the 2008 Cat claims requires an adjuster not work claims for any other carrier while working Citizens claims. While I can understand that for cat claims where you may have enough work to provide a satisfactory income, I do not understand that requirement for those working daily claims (see RFP 08-0016 and the 08 Q &A for this question) where an independent may not receive enough assignments to provide an income that would justify such dedication to one carrier.5) Also be sure to read the info in the RFP 08-0016 about limited assignments where the inside adjusters will settle the claims with the homeowner. Does this seem strange to anyone else that the adjusters with the least experience (they only require 1 year experience for in office) will be handling settlement negotiations with insureds vs the field adjusters where more experience is required?   Here is just one example in a blog I did this year on the fiasco with the 300 Million Dollar claim reserve problem identified this year which I’m sure those working Citizens claims this year will hear about since claim reserves are in the list of job duties for independents-see RFP 08-0016 for that list   https://dimechimes.wordpress.com/2007/08/24/enough-is-enough-citizens-fl-claim-reserve-problem-to-the-tune-of-300-million/:       Here is also a link to the blog we did when the new RFP was released in April 2008:   https://dimechimes.wordpress.com/2008/04/23/citizens-of-fl-releases-new-rfp-for-daily-and-for-catastrophe-claims/   And a link to the blog written when they cancelled the Feb 08 RFP with more details:   https://dimechimes.wordpress.com/2008/02/13/citizens-rfp-for-daily-independent-adjusters-cancelled-the-claims-cheese-is-on-the-move-again/ ***This blog also addresses Citizens published and  planned reduction in use of independents so there may be less work in the years ahead with Citizens for independents although it’s interesting to note they don’t disclose this information in any of the RFP’s but we found it through the Citizens Task force or Board of Governors meeting notes- the links are in the blog above       In my opinion, adjusters should be utmost concerned about the fines in this years RFP(07-0003 for cat  documents- some are up to $1,000 per violation for such perceived infractions as late reporting to the cat site and improper file handling. While the RFP says the adjusting firm will be fined, many of the independent contracts the past two years seem to be revised or updated to include passing fines on to adjusters though most are not specific about what those fines are so I’d be sure to have a thorough discussion with any adjusting firm you are planning to go out with on that issue. While RFP 08-0016 doesn’t go into the great detail the 07 schedule did, it does have language incorporating the Claim manual which last year I believe included the fine info so I am guessing the fines will be whatever they are in the manual but they say in the new RFP that the manual will be given out to the new vendors once they are awarded so we don’t know the answer to that question but you should get an answer to this from your vendor). I was hoping one of the vendors would have asked about that in the Q & A questions but it is not published with the Citizens answers if so..   While it may seem to some that these things are nothing to concern yourself with, let me assure you that is not what Chip Merlin,Attorney of the Merlin Law Group in Miami is posting on his blog here:     If you look at the Citizens Task Force on Claim Handling that is charged with oversight of the Citizens Claims, Mr Merlin in the June 07 presentation links made a presentation to them on the problems he saw with claims handling in the aftermath of the 4 in 04 and in 05. You’ll see from his new comments his frustration in the results of the task force and his indication he thinks litigation in the aftermath of any new hurricanes will be much the same as the massive litigation our industry has experienced post Katrina (emphasis here mine- go back to Citizens comments on the RFP08-0016 answers about holding them harmless even if a Citizens manager overrides an adjusting firms decision on a claim)..Look at the link to presentations I’ve posted in this reply  to his presentation to the task force in June 2007 and a link to his May 08 blog about his predictions on litigation post any new storm and his expectations about litigation and also note his interesting comment expressing disatisfaction with the work of the Citizens Task Force. If you aren’t familiar with Chip Merlin, he has offices in various locations in FL and has been proactive in litigation on claims in MS with a few offices over there as well .. I think we will see his name quite a bit should a  major storm hit FL as he has been very proactive following the claim problems and ongoing developments at Citizens.Here are a few links to some blogs you should read that are quite interesting on Citizens and his thoughts regarding repeat of litigation,etc:   http://merlinlawgroup.wordpress.com/2008/05/05/the-2008-florida-legislation/   http://merlinlawgroup.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/are-we-doomed-to-repeat-this-again/   http://merlinlawgroup.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/is-claims-management-only-concerned-about-overpaying-claims/     Some folks above indicated a wish to be heard by Citizens. If you’ll note in the new RFP- the vendors were strictly prohibited from contacting ANYONE at Citizens to ask questions other than the one designated person taking the questions and answers that were then answered on 5/9/08 with the threat in the RFP that they would be removed from consideration if they contacted anyone within Citizens other than the designated person and prior to the deadline.. While I can understand the need for a contact person for questions to avoid confusion between adjusting firm managers being given different answers, I cannot imagine such restrictions in such a significant business relationship where there is a deadline given to ask questions and such limitations and threats being placed on firms they are asking to handle their business. I’m hoping the vendors were given more opportunities to ask questions at their recent Train the Trainers seminar mentioned in the 5/12/08 email from Citizens that is published on the Evans link above.   There are links at the Citizens Task Force which is overseen by the Dept of Insurance with contact information for the task force:   http://taskforceoncitizensclaimshandling.org/tfm.htm   Here’s a link to a presentation on their website from an adjuster addressing the new FL umpire review that is going on. I had never thought about the fact some independents may be an independent in one state and a public adjuster in another state as this adjuster states in his presentation letter to Citizens. I’d be curious to know how independent adjusting firms would feel about using an adjuster who does both and can imagine how a carrier might feel about this:   http://taskforceoncitizensclaimshandling.org/tfm.htm **Scroll down to the one on Property Insurance Appraisal Umpire Legislation topic in the 2/26/08 presentation links and click on the link to the pdf from Catastrophe Specialist to see this pdf letter he sent in. This link also works to the pdf the Merlin group sent in last year addressing claim handling conerns in the links to the June 7, 2007 presentations on the same link above.    I’m very curious why no where in the presentations by firms is there anything from independent adjusting firms- only from public adjuster groups and attorneys and others but no independent personnel. I can only guess this is because of course they cannot do anything so public for fear of losing an RFP award by upsetting the Citizens Claim Dept.  Also disappointing is the Citizens Claims Dept makes presentations to the Task Force but the latest information I can find on their meetings site is some meetings in Feb  26, 2008…..so where are they in reviewing all of the new RFP revisions and decisions that have gone on since?  Are they even aware of the continual changes Citizens is making to the RFP and requirements of Independent adjusting firms? The Board meeting notes also published on the Citizens site which provide much insight into decisions are continually behind by months so we can’t get any clues there. I wrote the Citizens webmaster about that issue several months ago and the response I got was that they cannot publish the minutes to the Board Meetings until they have been approved which he assured me would be at their next meeting which was months ago and they are still FAR behind in updating them so we can get a glimpse into the decisions going on there although their policy is to publish board meeting notes. The notes they are publishing have really changed as well from actual meeting notes to bullets of topics to be discussed and often not much else and I’m curious why that has changed.   I did some additional research looking to see how you would go about contacting some of the task force members directly since you can’t talk to anyone at Citizens and found email or website addresses for many of the board members .I’ll locate that research and post it here if anyone wants that. Right now you can go to the task force link above and find 2 primary contacts and ask them to forward it to all Task Force Board members if you wish. I don’t think we’ll see any improvements until our concerns are addressed to the Task Force which hasn’t happened yet or atleast there is nothing pubished on their presentations link.   Your best source is to talk to the vendors who are attending these meetings but I hope the above information atleast answers questions we can find the answers to from the Citizens published documents available to all of us on their website for viewing. I highly recommend adjusters stay up to date with the information being published on the Citizens website so you can consider ALL the facts directly from the horses mouth. We are not a Citizens vendor- just a concerned FL part-time resident with all of my family residing in the state  as well as a FL Independent adjuster who has been contacted by many adjusting firms as well and these constant changes give me GREAT concern about what is going to happen when my family, friends, and residents of FL experience a major catastrophe never mind the potential for problems for independent adjusters servicing their claims. […]

  2. […] The April 22, 2008 RFP was to replace the one Citizens posted and cancelled earlier in the year. Here’s the link to our earlier blog on the first cancellation if you missed it. […]

  3. […] If you missed our original blog notice about Citizens cancelling the RFP for Daily claims several month ago, here is a link: Click here […]

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